The Wild Mind – Part III


Scientology 1.0.0 – Part 9

Now here’s the subject that plays the biggest role of all in Scientology 1.0.0.


First, just for additional colour, some personal background:

In the mid to late 1970s, after eight years of travel at sea, my parents moved, with their small administrative staffs, to a place called La Quinta (Spanish for “the fifth” – always wondered why it was called that) in the Coachella Valley located in Southern California.

The property was actually several small parcels of land situated quite near to the La Quinta Resort and golf course, which, though somewhat run down by this time (like much of the U.S. – the 70s were a period of financial austerity, inflation, highest ever crime rates, gas shortages and a rapidly crumbling infrastructure) was yet still a pretty exclusive neighbourhood and had a special 1920s feel about it. All in all, it was a quiet, very out-of-the-way place, perfect for my father’s continuing projects and researches.

It may seem strange to some people but our family, by the mid to late1960s, had been more or less absorbed into the larger goings on of the slowly forming Scientology 2.0 – the institution. By the time we all moved aboard the Royal Scotsman* in 1967, we had effectively become more a part of the crew than a family although we had special privileges such as our own living quarters and, for a short while, a tutor. I tell you this because it wasn’t until that move to La Quinta that circumstances contributed to my forming a much more personal relationship between myself and my parents, if not the other members of the family. The result being that over the course of two and a half years, 1976 to 1979, I got to spend a great deal of time with my dad.

In terms of timing, I was 18, and in terms of experience it was a real windfall and would set me permanently on a completely different course than I might have otherwise taken. I’ll get into more detail about this in a later article but for now I am mentioning it because this is when my dad told me that Scientology was, in fact, a mysticism.

Now, this will be no surprise to anyone who has studied Scientology 1.0.0, especially the materials from the early 1950s, but it was a big surprise to me at the time. He went on to explain; by the 1950s mysticism had become disreputable because of the enormous amount of confusion that surrounds it in the West. Mention mysticism and people would think of the occult, woo-woo and black magic and quickly toss it into the junk pile of irrelevant thinking marked “superstitious nonsense”.

By the late 70s though, most people, still exhausted from the cultish excesses of the 1960s, would have just given you a tired stare if you brought up mysticism, but might still reluctantly discuss it with you all the while wondering vaguely if you were one of those annoying New Age freaks. In the early 50s though, when Scientology 1.0.0 was first making its appearance, Joe Citizen would have pre-emptively shaken his head and, smiling contemptuously, simply written you off as a nut, no discussion. In Europe and the U.K. the subject, because they had (have) no enculturation of anything like free speech (and also long and violent traditions of state censorship) could actually get you in serious trouble both socially and, as it would turn out, politically. I know, I grew up there and in England there were seriously serious codes of what you could say and what you couldn’t, by Jove.

This general climate in the early 50s prompted dad not to call Scientology a mysticism or mystic discipline but instead an applied philosophy; this to differentiate it from philosophy that is theoretical (sort of like the difference between applied mathematics (engineering), which most people can understand and pure mathematics, which most people can’t).

Several years later, in 1954, Scientology was registered as a religion – which ultimately sowed the seeds of Scientology 2.0 (this would become a nearly completely different and, actually, separate entity hence the “2.0” label). As a result any discussion about Scientology as a mysticism died out, if it ever existed, amongst the membership and certainly I had never heard it described thus.

And I might never have had, had it not been for the fact that I’d been reading about humankind’s many practices – in part because a friend had sent me a 24 volume collection of several thousands of articles on that stuff called, Man, Myth and Magic and also because many such practices are inextricably linked with art (I was on an extensive program studying art history). Dad was a big reader, of course, and he was discovering that I was too and so would ask me what I was currently working on and we would discuss the various topics. Eventually mysticism came up because I was puzzling over what it was.

What my father was also discovering was how much I was influenced by, and also somewhat stubbornly resistant to, the culture of Scientology 2.0.

Now, eighteen year olds are horrendous purists and know-it-alls, at least I was (groan). But what I found out – to my surprise – was that dad was apparently pleased with my resistance to the groupthink that is prevalent in all large groups, Scientology not excepted. Anybody paying attention to groups, how they form, what holds them together and so on will quickly find out that the idea that a group forms around and the idea that the group has about the idea are never, ever the same. You’ll also observe that the gap between the two ideas, though possibly quite small at the group’s inception, grows over time (the larger the group, the faster it might do this trick, by the way).

There are multitudes of reasons for this, such as time itself, but what my dad wanted me to know was that, if you want a group, the phenomena of idea transmogrification is unavoidable and, depending on the type of idea, the group’s descent into authoritarianism (in religion, also known as fundamentalism) is practically inevitable; as only an individual can keep an idea more or less “on track”.

Ideally somebody, the one leading the group maybe, or an elite circle of disinterested intellects, should know the original idea while managing the group’s various alterations of it; suppressing some changes here, ignoring them there, so that, when (not if) the group finally falls away from that idea, a new group can rise up in its place, a new group based again on the original idea (one hopes) or even an improved version. All this is assuming that the idea has an innate alignment with how the universe actually works. (But this happens with any idea, just compare your favourite sport to how it was being played when it was invented †.) This is the idea behind rituals, I should mention, keeping an idea alive; hopefully through great spans of time.

To illustrate: when I first returned to the United States I was so excited. We had left in 1959 when I was an infant and now, in late 1975, we were finally back. I read the constitution and thought to myself, wow! the only country in the world at that time to be founded upon an idea!‡ I knew quite a bit of history by then and it was not lost on me what a miracle a United States of America was. I discovered fairly quickly though, the United States I wanted to live in was subject to the same groupthink dynamics that every large group is and was already disappearing rapidly by 1898 (U.S. becomes an empire). By 1917 (U.S. entry into WWI) it’s fading fast and was pretty much gone by the Hoover administration (stock market crash of 1929). (Actually, as I was to discover, the experiment was finally ended when Roosevelt II became president in 1934.§)

From this point on, thinking about groups and how they work, I would always wonder at our general ignorance, that this perfectly natural transmuting, changing and alteration of ideas isn’t taken more seriously and is instead thought of as an aberration or an error, if it’s thought about at all. There’s apparently some sort of natural “law”: all things shall have a beginning, a middle and an end and as they go through this they change; only ideas are theoretically forever (so long as there is someone left alive to think them). Even the individual struggles mightily with this, because, as you change, your ideas about the idea can also change. It appears there are two absolutes in perpetual tension: that which is eternal, for without eternity there can be nothing and change, for without change there can be nothing. It’s a real thing and we ought to think about it more.

Maybe when there’s a big idea on the table, like a United States, there should always be planned some sort of regular jubilee; when a select group of disparate, intelligent and independent thinkers review the idea to analyse its original intent and then compare it to what’s happening in the present; if there’s a great enough disparity then the group as a whole would enter into debates and discussion to decide what to do about that: change or update the idea or change or update the group. I don’t know, that idea has problems too. Probably we’ll keep muddling through as we always have; whatever we’re doing. Things seem to be working anyway, despite current protests and setbacks to the contrary, most likely because so many of our best ideas are not in conflict with the natural rules that underlie the universe.

So, to make a long story even longer. Scientology, it was decided, was to be both an applied philosophy, as far as its membership was concerned, and a religion, as far as the world was concerned. My dad never guessed what the consequences of those early decisions were going to be (as I shall be later discussing), not the least of which his son, me, would apparently develop no real interest in the subject – so it seemed at that time anyway.

All I knew was I was swept up in something I didn’t know what it was and I was not very interested in it; in part because I was mainly interested in other things (art) and because the people in the group, mostly, had made a choice to be there and I hadn’t. I was there by default, you see, and any path towards changing one’s life spiritually must be chosen by those undertaking the journey or it just won’t work**. These people had been outside, then read a book or met someone and joined. People who join and people who are, say, born into this sort of group are having two very, very different kinds of experience, so much so that, when they meet, they might find themselves staring at each other across an unbridgeable gulf. Such was the case with me.

I was born to be a painter and that’s what I wanted. These other people wanted to be in the group and painters never want to be in any group, so we had very little in common on that point! They were there because of my dad and Scientology and I, well I was there because I was a kid. The down side was, I found myself surrounded by mostly very determined people who had zero interest in art but just wanted to improve their lives and the world. Nobody (with two exceptions, thank goodness) could comprehend I just wanted to paint; they were saving the world, after all, and art appeared frivolous. It’s often very hard for many of us to understand the roles played by all of us; the result of which, those of us who believe themselves to be important view others as less so. (I’ll lay out the whole sequence of how all that came about and what eventually happened, for those who may be interested, in a later article.)

So I was greatly surprised and intrigued by this idea that Scientology was a mysticism because I was beginning to understand how mysticism, like religion (as I was learning), is inextricable from art and art was what I was really interested in. The connexions were finally being made in my callow little brain and thus began my own journey into the thoughts and ideas of Scientology 1.0.0.


Mysticism – the ultimate in being

In Scientology 1.0.0 there are very clearly defined three things. Although not necessarily exactly separate in any actual sense, like many subjects they are separated in the abstract in order to be viewed. They are: spirit, mind and body.

In life one wants two things: physical survival for as long as possible and to expand. To expand physically, the person would like, say, more and more stuff or space or even influence (power). The mind wants more and more experience and knowledge. The spirit, what might it want?

Mysticism: belief that union with or absorption into the Deity or the absolute, or the spiritual apprehension of knowledge inaccessible to the intellect, may be attained through contemplation and self-surrender. (From Middle English, from Old French mystique, or via Latin from Greek mustikos, from mustēs ‘initiated person’ from muein ‘initiate’, akin to myein to initiate, teach. (This definition dates from the late 17th century.)

This, my friends, is immortality! Not of the body, maybe, nor perhaps the mind even, but of the “sacred of the most sacred thing most intimate”, the only thing that can know God… you.

So. There is art and there are rituals; there is magic and myth but some very few fortunate souls are also deeply aware of this experience that transcends all things. Those things, art, etc., are both personal and shared in varying degrees, but there is an experience that cannot be shared and is only personal and that is the mystical experience, a direct connexion – or re-connexion – with the Whole Show.

Now, I’ve been pitching my views and arguments in favour of this particular experience (and against those who say that all reality is matter). Materialism is as silly an idea – albeit less amusing – as the one where the world literally sits on the back of elephants, the elephants stand on the backs of turtles and then it’s turtles all the way down. Spiritual experience, at the end of the day, is what matters and this experience, the mystical one, matters in particular.

Also how to manifest that experience in a difficult world. The materialist experience is, at best, a pretty beige and vanilla sort of thing, when it’s not leading us to the prison camps or even the Gates of Hell (there are levels below materialism such as determinism and nihilism). However, there is another way of looking at the world that opens the door to so great a degree of passionate and compassionate understanding as to permit a person to actually reorder their reality, their whole lives; reorder it in such a wise as to possibly bring about a much improved existence for us all.

This understanding and experience that transcends all time and space is described in the Vedas, specifically the Rigveda, I believe, with a description of disciplines and exercises to help the adept achieve this level of consciousness – or supra-consciousness actually. Many, many beings have achieved this through the eons but it is generally not available to the main population due to the levels of dedication it demands. But imagine a world so advanced that normal people could get this ability, or at least a glimpse of it (without chemical assistance ††); it would be transformative!

In reference to recent times, there were a number of mystical movements in Europe in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, chief among them Rosicrucianism, and many of the same, or similar, in North America as the British North American colonies became a United States (no coincidence here, seriously). In the 1860s though, there occurred the world’s first truly industrialised war. More than 785,000 souls were carried off in a scant four years which was a massive shock to the young country (and deeply interesting for many other nations wishing to become empires – uh oh). Partially as a result of this holocaust, new mystical orders came into existence (along with an “occult” revival, more on this later), not very surprising after so much death.

This period served to bring into stark perspective a phenomenon often referred to as the “death of God” (announced by Hegel in his Phenomenology of Spirit and later, warned of by Nietzsche, in The Gay Science). This crisis of meaning was an unfortunate side-effect of the Enlightenment resulting in the rise of the Counter-Enlightenment (Rousseau and Kant, et al), then materialism (and its weak-tea sister, “rational atheism”). By no coincidence, and possibly even in order to fill this yawning cultural vacuum (“God shaped hole”), there was a revival of mysticism.

So, as Eastern Mysticism was being discovered (actually rediscovered to some degree‡‡) by the West in the 18th and 19th centuries, it increasingly came to be understood, by certain individuals, as the only answer to bringing true meaning back into the Western experience before it was too late.

Many of the people involved in these groups understood, more than the average person, that this level of mass killing, as witnessed by the War of Secession (the American Civil War), could only occur if there was a crisis of meaning – for what else could allow murder at such a scale – and if not corrected, could possibly result in events so inconceivably horrible as to be impossible to imagine. (Events as horrendously unimaginable, perhaps, as WWI, the Soviet Union, Italian Fascism, Japanese Militarism, Nazi Germany, WWII, Communist China, Pol Pot, Twitter….)

Mysticism is essentially Man’s deep seated need to know. Not as knowledge used to gain any kind of dominance over anything but for its own sake. In other words, wisdom. (Wisdom, when applied however, is knowing how to properly and intelligently use technologies, whatever they may be.)

The life lived with wisdom doesn’t look anything like what it’s sold as in pop culture, movies and television, as a grim responsibility to be born regardless; to walk, usually alone, in a grim world doing good deeds or something equally foolish. Wisdom (and there is a level of it for each stage in life, it doesn’t have to be something that is only lucked into in old age) is always at least being interestedly engaged or cheerful, often even enthusiastic (from late Latin enthusiasmus ‘inspiration, frenzy’ from Greek enthousiasmos, from enthousiazein ‘be inspired or possessed by a god’ (based on theos ‘god’). This is how you know you are getting to know God: when this way of looking at the world, your enthusiasm, falls away it’s life telling you you are sinning.

This is a whole different thing from happiness, by the way. All one’s life one is being told that happiness is a byproduct, that it’s something that you should seek, that you should be good and do good work and perhaps, if you’re lucky, you might eventually be happy. Truth is, happiness, for what it’s worth, happens at any level; you can be happy being miserable (average teenager), happy being bored out of your mind (average married couple) even happy hating (average activist). On the other hand, a strong interest in life, cheerfulness and enthusiasm are levels of perception, not happiness. These levels allows one to actually see what’s there to be seen rather than trying to peer through some fog, as is done at the lower levels of perception (see the article, Space, Emotion and Well-being)

This level of awareness, this state of being, is achieved through techniques designed to first bring the self under control, the “I”. (Don’t let this term “control” throw you though, if you don’t have the correct level of control over the things in your life that are yours to control – such as yourself and your stuff – then the result is chaos for you.)

Ultimately Man is a Seeker; a seeker after knowledge, knowledge for its own sake. Again, not just the sort of knowledge that provides improved survival on the physical plane of existence but the knowledge of knowing itself. In other words, knowing how to know which is what Scientology 1.0.0 is about. This begins at the top part of Level 4 and is the adventure that awaits above that (again, see the article, Space, Emotion and Well-being). This, then, is your mystic.

For most of the mystics through time, this search mostly occurred separate from society and so societies are only vaguely aware of what they were up to. Even though he or she will “return” from this experience, if achieved properly, with a completely different and more fulfilling way of being, they won’t necessarily manifest in the lager society in any miraculous way. Every so often though, the mystic returns from their experiences with culturally, socially and politically explosive information such as Jesus famously did and Moses before him (this is the dreaded “x-factor” authoritarians have nightmares about). But mostly it’s the kind of knowledge that, by its very nature, benefits everyone by allowing individuals, one at a time, to come into total alignment with all true things bit by bit, more and more, slowly changing not only society but its very interface with reality. It is pure wisdom to do this, even if you don’t return with anything in particular to teach, and is also something which is impossible to be achieved by bad or confused people – ever §§.

It cannot be overstated that in mysticism the student must first achieve greater control of him or herself. No one can achieve any lasting benefits from this experience if they do not also lead the mystic life, which is a level of self control and personal organisation as is very sophisticated and very rarely achieved in the West (or anywhere else, really). If one mismanages money (endless debt), or work (“I hate my job, I’d be doing something else if I didn’t have bills”), or the mind (screen fixations), or the body (“I just can’t live without chocolate, cigarettes, alcohol, sex, etc.”), or life (always fighting against this or that, such as so many politicians, police and military do) then there is absolutely no way one can get there. There are also no short cuts such as chemicals.

It is my firm belief that achieving and living the mystic life by as many people as possible as soon as possible is ultimately the only way forward. Unfortunately though, many people are disappointed in their efforts at attaining this either because they haven’t been shown how to properly achieve the experience or, if they got a whiff of it (usually by means of chemicals), they are not trained in how to hold on to the experience by learning the inevitable new rules that come with it (new to them, the rules have always been the same since the very beginning).


To sum up, art, ritual, magic, myth and mysticism are steps toward how we got here. Like all such foundational rungs in the ladder of progress, they are not dropped but incorporated into the rungs above. Civilisation though, being very much more complicated than what preceded it, sometimes breeds people who attempt to cut away these rungs and then finds itself collapsing very quickly, such as happened with Rome in the first century B.C. and such as we are doing right now with postmodernism (the “Woke” movement, CRT (critical race theory), BLM, etc.), Covid mandates, printing money like toilet paper and so on.

But wait! Here’s the good news.

After that time I spent with my father I continued looking into mysticism. I began to study Scientology 1.0.0 in earnest and I began to study more and more all the subjects connected to it such as art, religion, philosophy, logic, ethics, physics, psychology, on and on. It was quite hard finding materials in those days, back in the 70s and through the 80s, that were both comprehensive and understandable so that I could make the connexions between all these seemingly disparate subjects. As the years progressed though, I began to notice that finding old works and discovering new works was getting easier and easier. And then came the internet.

With the internet I could sift through vast catalogues of books to select what I thought was relevant and eventually came to access articles, blogs, podcasts and then whole long-form conversations that could be streamed featuring increasing numbers of people who are interested in the same sorts of subjects in the same sort of way; particularly as deals with order versus disorder and enlightenment.

In the past seven years, since 2014 – and the acceleration of ideas designed to wreck Western civilisation – there are now new voices who, though almost entirely ignored by mainstream media channels, are rapidly putting many of the pieces together and giving out their ideas and sources in a way that one needn’t waste a lot of time getting them. This way people are countering the proliferation of bad ideas and, I think, laying more firm foundations that will ultimately allow more and more of us to take the mystic path; so long as we are able to “clear the decks” of our lives enough to do so. The ultimate payoff: understanding life better and getting to have not only the peace of mind that may come with that but the absolute pleasure and excitement with which it goes hand in hand.

Now, I’m not saying I, myself, am any paragon of peace and happiness, no no – any one of my friends and acquaintances will tell you that – it has not been an easy row to hoe to be sure and the row is nowhere near finished (and never will be). What I am saying is that, as far as I can tell, this information, these conversations, have been trickling down for thousands of years and that now – now at last – they are on the table in many forms, including Scientology 1.0.0, for everyone to easily access and see; even by self-educated, average intellects like me.

But then you might probably already know this because otherwise how did you find and read this whole blog?

Next up: more stuff.


*The Royal Scotsman, later renamed the Apollo, was a 327’ twin-screw motor “yacht” – keel laid 1927 – that had originally been a ferry running a route between Scotland and Ireland. It was the third of a number of sea-going vessels purchased to be used as bases of operation for the recently created Sea Organisation. The S.O. was to eventually take over management of the Church of Scientology.

† Often rules are created to try and preserve the idea that the game is based on. Proof of this groupthink phenomenon are all the rules created to prevent people from “gaming” the game. In the inception of the game, the rule book is one page, double spaced. A hundred years later the rule book is several dozens of fat volumes in single spaced 8 point type, with a committee fervently and feverishly dedicated to adding to it all the time, meanwhile the sport is nothing like the original. In sports this is obviously not a serious thing but the same thing happens with states, nations and the law and that is very serious.

‡ The idea: the Sovereign Individual as originally described by John Locke. This was the key to unlocking the door to the greatest affluences in all human history.

§ Yes, there were all the civil rights movements that came after that, which I support and applaud, but the original idea of “these United States” was already long gone to be replaced by a rapidly centralising, federally controlled “the United States. Without the relative autonomy of the states in – rather than under – a federation, there can be no experiment because a centrally located, extravagantly armed federal power is always, always easily captured by the bad actors in both government and the private sector (who are growing and spreading like so much black mould as I write this).

** Quite a few of the people who complain bitterly about their experiences in Scientology 2.0 didn’t actually themselves choose to become involved. Peer pressure, Big League Sales and bullying family members are a few of the ways the sacredness of personal choice (Individual Sovereignty) is overridden in all sectors of society.

†† As I may have mentioned in a previous article; the use of entheogenic chemicals, like psilocybin and lysergic acid diethylamide, create an experience that originates from within the body rather than the other way round. This is a wholly different paradigm than that which I am referring to.

‡‡ Sumer, Babylonia, Egypt as well as other civilisations, all of which would in turn inform Greek culture, seemed to have absorbed mystic information from the Indus Valley Civilisation.

§§ Evil is always a fraction whilst Good is the whole, the wholeness so necessary to the mystical experience. Unlike Evil, which rejects the Good, the Good always embraces Evil but chooses not to do any. True good never “cannot do evil: beware the “good” person who so righteously could “never hurt a fly”.

Published by aconwayhubbard

Painter living in Los Angeles.

16 thoughts on “The Wild Mind – Part III

  1. You wrote: “By the late 70s though, most people, still exhausted from the cultish excesses of the 1960s,……..”

    Your father’s cult didn’t seem to “exhaust” most people until many years later.


      1. Do you think Scientology was and is an “excessive cult”? Do you have any contact with your sisters?


  2. Well, this is so refreshing to read. Being a Greek this life time I can surely appreciate the derivation of Ενθουσιασμός (Enthusiasm) coming from En (=in) + Theos (θεός = God)

    I like the way you write about things and Scientology 1.0.0. This is the gift I got from your father and mother and all those who helped them put it in shape and form so we could avail of it.

    Thanks again, looking forward to your next thoughts.

    Theo(doros) (doron, δώρον, means gift so a gift of god, hehe)


  3. Thank you for another insightful article. Especially that last footnote “Evil is always a fraction whilst Good is the whole… ” A non-life goal fits within the negative of a life goal, but it’s always narrower – for example, hate is a subset of not-love but not loving doesn’t necessarily mean hating.

    Scientology was a big influence in my childhood too; the starting point that led me to such things as Buddhism, the Neoplatonists, George Spencer-Brown and Dennis Stephens. There’s a perennial philosophy that keeps re-emerging, same truths only in different languages.


  4. So good to hear from you, Mr. Hubbard. I communicated occasionally with your Dad long ago. I enjoyed your article and will be reading more in the coming days and weeks. I have been a Scientologist since ’68’. For the last 15 years I have been on a structured, methodical examination of my past. I do other work as well. I’ve logged about 16,000 of looking. I have written a few short articles based on my work which you may find interesting, or at least entertaining. I will be looking for your further writings. ARCL, Mark.


  5. Any possibility that you could comment on whether HCO BULLETIN OF 5 MAY 1980, OT VIII Series I, C O N F I D E N T I A L STUDENT BRIEFING, was written by your father or is fake?



  6. My biggest interest these days and I suppose throughout my life is telepathy. It was just a couple of weeks ago that I decided to write a non-fiction book about it. In-progress.
    I first met you on the Apollo in ’74. I was one of the new guys with the then new recruitment group the Flag Readiness Unit. I had only been in Scio for a year. Was only on the ship for 10 months. What an experience.
    I later met up with you again in Highgate, London at Susan’s cottage where I lived with her. You stopped by with some friends after having been in Berlin, I think.
    I got into Scio, mission of Davis, mainly ’cause I heard a guy talking about ghosts. Since then, telepathy and other stuff came to me naturally.
    I was actually just looking on the net to see how old you were in ’74 and found this site and figured – what the heck! You were always an artist, me too, may as well say Hi 😀


    1. Hello Brent.
      Thank you for reaching out and getting in touch. I remember that visit in London with pleasure; I believe we met on other occasions as well, also in LA, no?
      I’d be most interested to read your book when it is published, please let me know.


      1. Could be, also in LA. After Susan passed, I was back there and on CCI lines, managing actors, Karen Black one of them. LA is also where my roots started.
        Seems you were 13/14 when I was on the ship? No biggy, if private. If I recall correctly, you did art for different projects happening there.
        Thanks on the book :). Shall do !


      2. That’s right, last I saw you was at the cafe at CC in ’94 or thereabouts. In 1974 I was 16, I was short for my age back then, I looked about 13. I was helping on Flag promotion and other stuff, yes. Let me know if you’re ever in town, we could grab a cup of joe.


      3. Aw, okay. I did have a slight picture of seeing you there but wasn’t sure :). Funny on being short :). How tall ya now? :D. Awesome. So LA Area eh… If you’re ever on Maui, let me know :D. and it’s been good chatting !


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